Raw Notes: (How) should we measure diversity in Drupal BoF

There were about 12 participants in the conversation; folks who were here and who were not are encouraged to add their thoughts, fill out these notes, say "I was there," etc!

(notes starting partway into the session)

  • There's an opportunity to grow Drupal if we can start to get at the diversity conversation
  • definition of Drupal community is problematic - very technical requirements, but there's a vast community that aren't people who aren't on D.o or have cvs accounts, implementers and users. Developer-centric approach is limiting. Rise of "themer pride" and project management props makes a difference.
  • The "do-ocracy" is so spread out that there's never going to be a technical definition of degree of participation in Drupal; makes it easier to inherit biases in society
  • Power is still based on very developer centric values, e.g. webchick was nominated to make the LGBTQI g.d.o group because she wouldn't get messed with because of her high stature as a dev in the community
  • in any community it's important to create a sense of openness - not just inclusiveness but many paths to involvement, recognize importance of other roles that extend platform to a broader audience
  • primary problem of Drupal community is creating a platform that is usable, extensible, etc - this problem benefits from a diversity of perspectives on all levels, will result in better solutions
  • there's definitely "#notadeveloper" scoffing attitude in the community
  • Drupal as an entity is not in the position of building on-ramps. While within the community there are real tensions along lines of identity and privilege - same as larger society - don't see a specific on ramp barrier to people with lack of privilege
  • do-ocracy isn't a problem when
  • problem is who's going to do anything about this? Drupal Association is the only official entity, could they espouse values of diversity, inclusion, non-discrimination and "enforce" by vocally disapproving when things like the image on the Drupal Card Game goes down
  • class is another big vector of power and privilege, but not always as visible a marker as race/gender/sexuality - might be a foothold
  • we might have more success with stopping nasty things (i.e. sexist comments/images) from happening than trying to get buy-in for proactive diversity
  • what's the process for handling when "bad things" go down in the community? what recourse to people have if things are going on in the community that are outside of the spirit of Drupal?
  • there has to be individual accountability
  • some distrust of looking to higher authorities for enforcement
  • is it possible to charter local groups?
  • false notion that safe spaces organized within Drupal Community like groups.drupal.org will not actually result in better technical products, code, etc
  • demonstrating ability for Drupal to be more accessible, egalitarian, open is important
  • q: have people ever recruited others to Drupal, especially others who don't look like others in Drupal?
  • a: HopeFoundry - taught non-programmers Drupal, 1/3 of them are becoming active with Drupal, some of them have provocative stories that need to be told, a model that can be replicated. Do it at an application level, you can choose to be diverse
  • "Drupal = a big building with no doors on the ground floor; if you go around back and up the stairs to the IRC channel you can find a way in"
  • In any community, the most influential people are the most invested. As communities grow the core group starts to expand as well. Community can occur organically if more people buy in and do something about it, build on-ramps to Drupal, on small-scale/individual levels, makes the community evolve.
  • Do we feel comfortable bringing people in to Drupal who are not part of the majority/privileged classes in Drupal?
  • Bringing people like me (in this case queer, poc, politically left) would not go so well, afraid they'd just get pissed and never come back
  • Some people are activated by getting pissed off, some people are turned away - they deal with this throughout their lives, don't want to deal with this
  • Encouragement for people to write blog posts, public thoughts on what we discussed here, get it out there
  • The people in the room have it in us to change things
  • Focus on ground up, grassroots response and action on these issues
  • We need more models for training and curriculum to bring more, different people into Drupal

Comments

I was there! it was a great discussion. Will also blog about this myself. I think it's really important to revise what we mean when we say "Drupal community" and what it means to contribute to Drupal. Thanks!

Thanks for posting these notes. I didn't attend the BoF so I'm happy to see that the issue of diversity is on the minds of some in the drupal community. My own personal experience at #drupalcon was primarily positive, but I was also taken aback by the image on the drupal card game deck of a scantily clothed woman. I did take into consideration that it was meant to be funny or ironic, like, "how could a geek get a girl like that?" but still it left me feeling like the primary audience were the male attendees, which reinforced a sense that the larger community isn't in tune with the diversity that is creeping in to the community. Anyway, thanks again for posting these notes and I hope to see more discussions like this within the community.

note on g.d.o not having a group type for community based sites like queer, drupalchix; purpose of g.d.o sorta excludes it, so would need to change the policy to get that Group type added.

Thanks for posting these notes Jack.

The Drupal Voices interview that I did with Jack was definitely one of my favorites, and I'm going to probably be airing it around May 12th.

I have a couple of Accessibility interviews, and then a couple of diversity interviews, and I wanted to get them out earlier rather than later. Just let me know if there's any other coordinated thing that you would like me to point people towards with the links in the show notes.

And I can maybe get it edited beforehand and put online somewhere if others are interested in hearing it.

Two points that have gelled for me since this meeting:

1. To make Drupal a nicer community for everyone, to actually teach a majority of people a bit of tolerance, rules from on high will not be an over time sufficient approach. Grassroots actions by all of us are needed to encourage decent behavior and try to discourage jerks.

2. Flat-out outreach is critical for bringing people into Drupal who could most benefit from the potential opportunities -- fewer economic opportunities, first of all, and people who may be discriminated against for any reason.

Jack, thank you for speaking up for diversity on Drupal Voices. You were articulate and inspiring.

I tried to say as much on lullabot.com, but their spam filter stopped me. Unfortunately, the vocabulary of diversity intersects with the vocabulary of sildenafil citrate advertisements. This was what I tried to post:

"I am white and male and straight and am extremely happy to see Lullabot publishing on this topic. I don't hear nearly enough about it."

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